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Stranger
in a Strange Land
by Michelle Erica Green
Some actors don't
like science fiction because the situations are so contrived.
Discussing alien situations and galactic anomalies that don't
exist seems very artificial, and remote from their real lives.
Mira Furlan doesn't have that problem. The Yugoslavian-born
actress finds the events of Babylon 5 and the life of
her character, Ambassador Delenn, almost too close to reality
for comfort.
"There were
friends in New York who asked me, after one of the episodes
that they saw on television, 'When are they going to write something
that is not about the former Yugoslavia?'" relates the
actress with a sad laugh. "This was when the situation in Bosnia
was developing, and the question of intervening versus not intervening
was big here. That's what we were doing on Babylon, you
know? Centauri-Narn, should we intervene or not intervene, the
cycle of hatred, all those issues. It's such an eternal cycle."
The actress
lives now in Los Angeles, having fled Zagreb, Croatia in 1991
with her Serbian-born husband. Yet she is not completely at
home. When asked whether she considers herself an American,
she demurs, "In those terms, I'm left without that definition.
I'd like to say I'm a citizen of the world, but I really feel
that I don't belong to any place."
Thus, Furlan
- a warm, spirited interview subject with a striking sense of
humor - has no difficulty relating to the displaced individuals
on Babylon 5, nor with playing an alien ambassador in a universe
which is constantly in conflict. In fact, she sees Delenn as
someone who might be able to provide new perspective on the
struggles which shaped Furlan's own life. "I would love to talk
to her about the situation in the former Yugoslavia and see
what she has to offer as advice - the wisdom that this character
has, I think, would be very valuable in that situation," says
the woman who helped to create her.
While Furlan
has told producer J. Michael Straczynski about her experiences,
she is quick to point out that the theme of a displaced person
within her own country is not only her story, nor Delenn's.
"There were some sentences that just referred to [my] situation
completely, so that was a bit creepy. [But] it's what's been
happening through history over and over again. That has happened
to millions of people. Joe always refers to that."
Since Straczynski
has written out the events which will unfold over the course
of Babylon 5's remaining episodes, Furlan could ask him
about the events which will be unfolding. But she's not interested
in spoiling it for herself--she says she wants to be surprised,
and thinks the creator likes the mystery.
Besides, she
adds, "it's the nature of doing a TV series - you never know
what's going to happen. It's not like working on a play or a
film where you try to learn it before you even start shooting.
You really have to make yourself open and be flexible, and not
be too rigid in your thinking about your own character.
Though Babylon
5 has seen some big transitions over the past year, the
actress sounds happy with the way the new season is going. Of
departing actress Claudia Christian, she says, "I miss her a
lot, and I think it's a really bad thing that it happened the
way it happened." Of Delenn's romantic involvement with John
Sheridan, she exclaims, "It's beautiful, it's romantic, it's
wonderful, it's emotional...it's perfect!" While Furlan would
not be averse to some tension developing between the two because
it would be interesting to play from an acting standpoint, she
recognizes that fans identify with the relationship, and appreciates
the fact that the characters "are a team in their actions,"
a rarity among television science fiction relationships.
The star is
reluctant to name her favorite episode, complaining that that
is a question she gets asked a lot at conventions. "I wouldn't
really pick episodes as my favorites, but there are scenes that
I've loved over the years - [like] the scene with Andreas [G'Kar],
where I had to tell him that I knew what had happened to the
Narns, and I didn't want to tell him. That was one of these
moments with another actor where things kind of organically
happened, unplanned." She was also pleased with the Hugo Award-winning
"Severed Dreams," where she played "this action heroine - so
different from anything I've been doing in my life!"
The first Babylon
5 TV movie, shot earlier this year, required that Furlan
play Delenn in flashbacks as she was even before the early episodes
of the television series - many years younger, much less human
in appearance and attitude. Furlan had to readjust to the prosthetic
makeup, but playing the younger Delenn came easily. "I remembered
it, internally - it sort of stays with you." The actress reports
that it was exciting for her to restore the youthful Minbari
woman, "at the beginning of her whole career and life, discovering
things."
The experience
of playing a character who develops over so many years is new
to Furlan, although she did television work in Yugoslavia. A
two-time winner of Yugoslavia's equivalent of an Academy Award
and a castmember of the Oscar-nominated When Father Was Away
On Business, this highly-trained performer says that it
can be "tough to keep it fresh, and to stay in Delenn's skin,"
though in other ways it's comfortable to have a recurring role
- "you enter it like you're entering your old bathrobe." It's
a different experience from film and theater, where Furlan got
"used to going in and out of projects, and just forgetting about
projects that I've already done."
Though the slow
pace of Yugoslav film and television frustrated Furlan when
she was working there, the lack of rehearsal time and rush to
complete episodes frustrates her here. "These are all bad aspects
of doing television in this country - time is everything, time
is money," she complains. "America just wipes out all your past,
you know? It bombards you with its rules and its way of life.
You become, whether you want to or not, a part of the system.
[And] America has another grip on you, and that's the grip of
the money. You're controlled by your bank."
The socialist
system from which she emerged limited artistic freedom in other
ways. "We were free to a certain degree, because nobody cared,"
she says of Yugoslavia, where, in her youth, the communists
"were weak already" and apathetic about the arts. "The government
didn't care, so we were left alone, in that no-money situation."
Though a play she performed in was banned for political reasons,
the overall climate was apolitical, apathetic - which Furlan
thinks actually made space for the nationalists and fascists
who followed the communists.
"It was actually
an unhealthy attitude, I see that now: apolitical, complete
disinterest," she observes. "A lot of effort from these new
regimes was put into reviving hatreds. War propaganda of the
most disgusting kind, we were all watching that, and thinking,
'What do they want? A war? That's too crazy!' [But] it was not
too crazy."
Having seen
firsthand how apathy and propaganda can influence people's actions,
how does she feel about the level of violence on American television?
"I can't watch it anymore," she snaps. "Overall, I think American
television anesthetizes people. They become numb, and then you
mix it with the real footage from real wars and real violence
- not fictional, but real violence that's going on all around
the world - and people just don't get the difference anymore.
It all becomes this kind of mixture of fiction and reality."
Furlan sees
this difficulty distinguishing the two as "an American problem,"
reflected by the passion of science fiction audiences for the
shows. She is thrilled by the fan following, stating that "it's
beautiful to see so much love and respect and understanding,"
and asserting that "in the case of Babylon, we can thank
the fans for our existence, and for a fifth season, even though
Warner Brothers couldn't really care!" Yet she also worries
about the "unbelievable fanaticism" of some of the viewers.
Unlike many
American actors, Furlan is not particularly intimidated by the
Internet sites which she reads occasionally, nor by the sheer
number of fans. She was the victim of a stalker in her native
country, and actually finds American fans far more respectful
and kind than those from her homeland. But the intensity of
passion of the viewers for the show makes her worry about the
influence of television over its viewers. "You ask yourself,
do they take it for reality? Are they aware of it being just
a TV show?" she wonders.
Similarly, she
wonders whether Americans reading stories about the events in
Croatia realize how those stories are distorted to make them
marketable. She is distressed at the way writers have capitalized
on the lives of people from her country. "There are so many
people who have only read about it, but feel that it's justified
to publish a book about Sarajevo - I just read a little children's
story that an American wrote, a diary of a little girl in Sarajevo,
based on what she read in the papers. And I'm just appalled
at how people don't question whether they know enough about
it." She speaks with amusement about the "big movie with Harrison
Ford about Bosnia," in which the Bosnian woman will reputedly
be played by Kristin Scott Thomas, and the Woody Harrelson-Marisa
Tomei film Welcome To Sarajevo.
In Yugoslavia,
"money never represented such a defining measure." She is disturbed
at how quickly Americans put labels on people as well as products.
"Somebody was introducing me to somebody, and said, 'Mira is
a science fiction actress.' And I was thinking, 'Oh, God, how
did I become that so fast?'" After a wide variety of roles in
Europe, she is a bit afraid of becoming typecast by the American
entertainment industry.
Still, she says,
roles for women in Yugoslavia were marked by even more misogyny
and "vulgar macho attitude" than the ones available here. Furlan
believes that the "rape on a large scale" happening to her country
reflects fundamental attitudes on the part of the men in power.
"In so many Yugoslav films, I was either raped or beaten up
or humiliated in all kinds of ways, and you just start thinking
that is how it should be," she observes. "I don't think this
machismo and misogyny, the whole male aspect, is just Yugoslavia
- but in Yugoslavia it was more bloody, evil and ugly than here.
I have to say, American feminism has changed a lot of things.
I've always felt that, and I like that about America."
Furlan is therefore
hopeful about branching out into more strong female roles. She
misses theater, which she describes as "dead" in America - "it's
so marginal, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter in people's
careers." She and her husband, film director Goran Gajic, mounted
a production of Antigone last year "to express things
about this war that were on our minds," but she says she has
little desire to do theater other than for emotional reasons
such as that - "it's not worth it, because it's the hardest
work that an actor can do."
Because of the
appropriation of the stories of her people, including her own
story - a letter Furlan sent to the Croatian newspapers when
she fled the country was published, altered and unattributed,
in a short story called "An Actress Who Lost Her Homeland" -
Furlan also wants to write about her experiences. Given her
passion, knowledge, and apparent skill, she would seem to be
an ideal person to provide some perspective for U.S. readers
about the situation in Eastern Europe.
It's striking
how optimistic Furlan sounds about the future, given that she's
lived through more personal and political oppression than many
Americans can conceive of outside of fiction. One senses a great
deal of pain, but not a lot of bitterness, towards the people
who betrayed her in her native country, and a great openness
to her new life. Like Delenn, Furlan comes across as an ambassador
- concerned that people are doomed to repeat the same mistakes,
hoping her testimony and skills can make a difference.
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Q: |
If
you could sit down with Delenn, what would you like to talk to her
about?
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Mira: |
Oh, God, you know, I would love to talk to her about the situation
in the former Yugoslavia and see what she has to offer as advice.
The wisdom that this character has, I think, would be very valuable
in that situation. That's what I would ask her.
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Q: |
Has
Joe Straczynski asked you about your own experiences, in writing
hers? I know you've said there have been eerie parallels.
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Mira: |
We've
talked, and he knows a lot of what happened to me and what happened
in general, I always discuss those things with him. The whole situation
of a basically displaced person, not only here, but also in her
own country - that has happened to millions of people, not only
me.
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Q: |
Does
it ever hit too close to home for you when you're reading a script?
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Mira: |
There
were some sentences that just referred to [my] situation completely,
straightforwardly. So that was a bit creepy. There were friends
in New York who asked me after one of the episodes that they saw
on television, "When are they going to write something that is not
about the former Yugoslavia?" This was when the situation in Bosnia
was developing, and the question of intervening versus not intervening
was big here. That's what we were doing on Babylon, you know? Centauri-Narn,
should we intervene or not intervene, the cycle of hatred, all those
issues. I come from there, it's happening there right now, but it's
such an eternal cycle.
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Q: |
Part
of what's so appalling about it is that it isn't the first time
it's happened.
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Mira: |
It's
what's been happening through history over and over again. Joe always
refers to that, he goes so deep into these things. It's never about
a particular thing, it can always be applied to many other things
not part of our direct experience right now.
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Q: |
I
know that he's written out most of what's supposed to happen over
the rest of the show. Did he tell you early on the events that were
going to be unfolding?
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Mira: |
You know, I could talk to him and ask him about what will happen,
but I want to be surprised - I like that situation! I know a couple
of things. But he also likes the mystery, and it's kind of how we've
been working. It's the nature of doing a TV series - you never know
what's going to happen. It's not like working on a play or a film
where you try to learn it before you even start shooting, you try
to know as much as you can. But here, you just can't, and that's
a totally different experience in terms of how you work, how you
approach things. You really have to make yourself open and be flexible,
and not be too rigid in your thinking about your own character.
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Q: |
I
understand that the first movie is a prequel. You'll be wearing
the old makeup and playing the old Delenn? Do you have to study
your own performances?
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Mira: |
We shot it already, and I remembered it,
internally. I don't know how to say it, but it sort of stays with
you. In a way it was easy - I liked that part, because the whole
movie is going back and forth. So Delenn in the movie is what we
know her to be now, but then she remembers and goes back into her
past. So it's interesting, I actually preferred doing the old Delenn.
I played her really young at the beginning of her whole career and
life and so on, so she was discovering things. It was exciting.
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Q: |
Are you the kind of actor - I don't know if the terms are the same
in the kind of training you had, Method and so on, but are you someone
who, when the makeup goes on, you feel like you are that character?
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Mira: |
The makeup certainly helps, and I've learned that - I had trouble
with the makeup, especially in the pilot where I had to wear full
prosthetic makeup, I really had trouble dealing with that. But the
time that I spend in makeup is kind of a good way to slowly get
into what you're doing. I don't know if I'm a method actor - in
many ways it is there, of course, you become the character to a
certain point, but you also manipulate yourself into being what
the character is. You are in charge at any moment, and that is a
strange kind of double personality that you develop as an actor.
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Q: |
I
would imagine especially long-term, on something like this where
you're playing the part over years.
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Mira: |
That's a very strange experience, and really, I'm so used to
going in and out of projects and just forgetting about projects
that I've already done. In many ways, it's tough - it's tough to
keep it fresh and to stay in Delenn's skin, you know, but in a way
it's very easy and organic, you enter it like you're entering your
old bathrobe or so forth.
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Q: |
Has
the transition this season been rough, with Claudia Christian leaving?
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Mira: |
I miss her a lot, and I think it's a really bad thing that it
happened the way it happened. But these things happen and it's out
of our control, that's for sure. But the season is going fine.
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Q: |
Are
you happy with the way Delenn's relationship with John is developing?
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Mira: |
Absolutely!
It's beautiful, it's romantic, it's wonderful, it's emotional, and
not only that but they are a team in their actions. It's perfect!
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| Q: |
I
was half-afraid you were going to say, 'Oh, we started fighting
all the time this season!'
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| Mira: |
No!
Though, you know, I would like it to be more dramatic, just for
acting reasons! Fans love it, and they identify, and they're moved.
It's nice.
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| Q: |
What's
been your favorite episode?
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| Mira: |
That's
hard to say. That's a question that they ask me a lot at conventions
- we've shot so many episodes. One of the good ones, I mean, that
one got the Hugo, was "Severed Dreams," where I was this action
heroine - so different from anything I've been doing in my life!
But it was fun for me to try that. "Comes the Inquisitor" was a
good episode for me. I wouldn't really pick episodes as my favorites
but there are scenes that I've loved over the years. There have
been these scenes that stuck in my mind. The scene with Andreas,
the scene with G'Kar, where I had to tell him that I knew what had
happened to the Narns, and I didn't want to tell him - that was
one of these moments with another actor where things kind of organically
happened, unplanned. I think that was a really great scene that
kind of surpassed our initial ideas about the scene.
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| Q: |
You
all don't get much rehearsal time?
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| Mira: |
No,
that's the trouble - these are all bad aspects of doing television
in this country. Time is everything, time is money. There's no time
for anything except role and function. That scared me at first,
because I was definitely not used to that. In fact, working in Yugoslavia
on films and theater and on TV also, I was nervous because nothing
was moving as fast as I wanted it to. So, you know, I got what I
wanted - more than what I wanted!
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| Q: |
Is
that a function of the kind of system that you were working in?
I read something that you said, where you were talking about how
free you had been working, when Yugoslavia was united, and how that
freedom was gone when the nations reestablished themselves. Most
Americans are raised to believe that socialism is the death of artistic
freedom...
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| Mira: |
We
were free, yes, to a certain degree, but why? Because nobody cared.
The government didn't care for art, and so on. So we were left alone,
kind of, in that no-money situation where nobody really cared about
it, so that brought us some strange, weird freedom. But at this
time, I was thinking of the process of working, I didn't think of
political repercussions. Many people's plays - I was in a play that
was banned. It's not that kind of freedom. I was not referring to
the political control that the regime had. But when I was growing
up, communists were weak already. In the times of my parents, they
had a grip on everything, a hard grip. We were basically left alone,
kind of, you know, in this apolitical apathy. Finally, that actually
made space for these nationalists and fascists - it was actually
an unhealthy attitude. I see that now, apolitical, complete disinterest.
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| Q: |
It's
amazing how long those old hatreds hold out even in that kind of
system.
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| Mira: |
That
hatred was made through the media. A lot of effort from these new
regimes was put into reviving these hatreds. An unbelievable amount
of work went into it. War propaganda of the most disgusting kind,
and so on and so on, and we were all watching that, and thinking
'What do they want? A war? That's too crazy!' And it was not too
crazy.
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| Q: |
I'm
wondering how you feel about violence on American television.
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| Mira: |
I
can't watch it anymore. I don't have a positive attitude towards
it, you know? It anesthetizes people - overall, I think American
television anesthetizes people. They become numb, and then you mix
it with the real footage from real wars and real violence - not
fictional but real violence that's going on all around the world
- and people just don't get the difference anymore. It all becomes
this kind of mixture of fiction and reality - I think that's an
American problem, I feel that the blur between fiction and reality
is kind of lost.
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| Q: |
This
might be a good segue to asking how you feel about fans, and conventions!
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| Mira: |
That's
also true! Absolutely, somehow this unbelievable fanaticism becomes
real - you ask yourself, do they take it for reality? Are they aware
of it being just a TV show?
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| Q: |
I
think it's that it's easier to deal with a holocaust in fiction
than it is when it happens. We know what is happening in Bosnia,
we were not blind, that is not an excuse people have. Do you consider
yourself an American at this point?
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| Mira: |
No,
no. But I don't consider, in those terms, I'm left without that
definition somehow. That's how the cards were played. I'd like to
say I'm a citizen of the world, that was always my idea when I was
growing up, that's how I wanted to be, but in today's world, is
that possible? I have no idea, but I really feel that I don't belong
to any place, I'm so in between all those things, and all those
experiences of growing up there, and being here now, and America
is so intense, it just wipes out all your past, you know? It bombards
you with its rules and its way of life, and it requires a constant
activity on your part.
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| Q: |
That's
interesting to hear - the hype of this country is that it's the
land of opportunity and endless possibility and freedom. The idea
that you're being hammered into a mold is not it!
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| Mira: |
Well,
you become, whether you want to or not, a part of the system. So
yes, freedom, but America has another grip on you, and that's the
grip of the money. That control - a hard control, a harsh control
over people's life - whether Americans see it or not as such, it's
there. You're controlled by your bank, not the police necessarily,
but definitely by your credit checks, all of these things that for
us are completely new experiences in our life. Money never represented
such a defining measure. And that brought us certain freedoms, but
it also brought us many, many restrictions. And this feeling of
apathy, of hopelessness, and just a reactionary feeling like nothing
is ever going to change, which is a really hopeless feeling. America
operates on hope, you know? And that's a healthy thing. It definitely
works. There is a price to pay, that's for sure - it's your peace
of mind, I think! |
| Q: |
Are
you already thinking ahead to work after Babylon Five? You've done
this huge body of work in foreign languages, and ironically you
may be typecast in science fiction.
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| Mira: |
It's
weird, yes - somebody was introducing me to somebody, and said,
'Mira is a science fiction actress.' And I was thinking, 'Oh, God,
how did I become that so fast?' Yeah, people like to label you,
that's another bad part - people just like it to be easy and simple,
it's much easier to deal with those labels. I hope it won't be that
way.
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| Q: |
I
had read a con report where you said that the film roles for women
in Yugoslavia really were not terrific. It sounded like there was
a lot of misogyny in the culture.
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| Mira: |
That's
right, it was definitely that way. And I think it's a part of why
this war was possible in a very subtle way, this vulgar macho attitude
is definitely something that has to do a lot with it. No wonder
this whole rape on a large scale was going on - it doesn't surprise
me at all. Just my professional experience: in so many Yugoslav
films I was always either raped or beaten up or humiliated in all
kinds of ways, and you just start thinking that things like that
is how it should be. In that way, with all the restrictions of the
science fiction genre, even with the makeup I have to deal with,
the role of Delenn is a wonderful role for me. Somehow it all makes
sense for me that I'm playing a role that's not just a function
of male characters, you know, just a little decoration in the story.
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| Q: |
Many
actresses have the same complaints about American film: you're either
the girlfriend of the action hero, who's put in peril so he can
rescue you...
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| Mira: |
It's
true. I don't think this machismo and misogyny, you know, the whole
male aspect, is just Yugoslavia - but in Yugoslavia it was probably
more bloody, muddy, more evil and ugly than here. Here, it's all
done in big-budget films and the costumes are better but it's probably
the same story - I agree, it's the same story. Although I have to
say, American feminism has changed a lot of things. I've always
felt that, and I like that about America. And there are some terrific
actresses here who do things...I just read A Thousand Acres, and
I can't wait to see those two actresses [Michelle Pfeiffer and Jessica
Lange] whom I really admire. With everything, I mean, with their
choices, with how they think, and so on. So it's not completely
true: there is definitely hope. The majority of things are that
way, but there are some good roles even in action films, good female
roles. I was thinking about The Keep, a movie that I didn't particularly
like, with Al Pacino and De Niro, but those two female roles were
good. It's not just anything - it's changing.
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| Q: |
Of
anything you've played in your career, what's been your favorite
part?
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| Mira: |
It's
too hard to pick. You're too close to - too many plays I did, one
of the last things I did was A Month in the Country by Turgenev,
and I played this wonderful role in the play that somehow touched
me, it was so close to my heart. But it doesn't mean anything to
anybody, here!
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| Q: |
Do
you miss theater?
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| Mira: |
I
miss theater, yeah, and I'm trying to do it. Last year I did an
adaptation of Antigone.
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| Q: |
Is
your husband finding it difficult? Wasn't he a theater director?
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| Mira: |
He
was a film director. That was his first theater project.
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| Q: |
Oh,
maybe that's easier, I was going to say, coming to this country
where the theater is all but dead -
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| Mira: |
It
is dead!
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| Q: |
Well,
there's repertory, but it doesn't pay. There's some terrific stuff
being done but I don't know if you could make a living at it.
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| Mira: |
No,
it's so marginal, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter in people's
careers, that bothers you, you know? You do it, but then when people
are not interested, it's tough. So it's frustrating, it's a frustrating
thing, theater in this country. Unless it's Broadway, which is so
rarely good, and I'm not interested in musicals and all that stuff,
all the commercial thing. But unless you do that, it's completely
your own little thing. It's good to keep yourself alive - we had
to do it, to express things about this war that were on our minds.
It had another meaning for us. I don't have a desire to do theater
except when it's close to my heart, and that I have to do, for emotional
reasons. Otherwise, it's not worth it, because it's the hardest
work that an actor can do.
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| Q: |
Do
you think about writing at all? I read your letter that you sent
the newspaper when you left Yugoslavia, that was on your fan club's
web page...
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| Mira: |
You
did so much research!
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| Q: |
Do
people interview you who don't know this?
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| Mira: |
Oh,
absolutely! Somebody interviewed me who said, "Could you spell your
name? Now, what is the country that you're coming from, was it Romania?"
That kind of thing.
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| Q: |
It's
so easy now to look up, there's just no excuse for that - on the
net, it's so easy to find that information. Although actors may
not like that people can find so much out.
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| Mira: |
It's
true, it's another thing with freedom - things like that. For awhile
it haunts you, it begins to control you, and also, everybody can
say anything and then it just spreads, you have no control over
it. But I know, there are so many web sites and everything's floating
around...
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| Q: |
Have
you looked into your fan following?
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| Mira: |
Yes,
sometimes. My husband is more on the Internet than me. But yes,
it's all there, and I look at it, but I feel distanced from it,
and I want it that way.
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| Q: |
Anyway,
the question: I had read the letter you sent to the newspapers before
you left Yugoslavia, and it's an extraordinary piece of writing,
and I gather someone actually plagiarized it in a short story? I
wonder if that made you say that you should be writing drama yourself.
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| Mira: |
Absolutely.
I want to, and I'm thinking of it, and I have all kinds of projects,
and I want to write about my experiences. There are so many - there
are also so many people, Americans even, who have only read about
it but already feel that it's justified to publish a book about
Sarajevo. I just read a little children's story that an American
wrote, which is a diary of a little girl in Sarajevo, based on what
she read in the papers. And I'm just appalled at how people don't
question, somehow, whether they know enough about it - I mean, that
prevents us from really taking a part. There are so many American
films produced right now, there is a big movie with Harrison Ford
about Bosnia, and I think the Bosnian woman will be played by Kristin
Scott Thomas, people watch all those things - or the movie with
Woody Harrelson and Marisa Tomei, Welcome To Sarajevo...
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| Q: |
Everything
becomes a commercial product. Everyone's lives.
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| Mira: |
Everything.
Everything. I know. They are already doing a musical about Diana's
life - it's just appalling. Appalling! It's unbelievable. After
two weeks, they already have a score for the musical.
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| Q: |
Since
she died, a lot of actors I've talked to have particularly questioned
the role of the media in relation to that - it's been a big issue
for people.
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| Mira: |
It
is a big issue. I was a target of the media in the propaganda war
that, as I said, preceded the actual war. It first started in the
media, and I was a perfect witch, because I was an actress.
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| Q: |
Because
you acted in the wrong theater?
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| Mira: |
But
I acted in all theaters. They needed so on and so on, media has
such an incredible impact, and the responsibility that journalists
feel, it's just...I was always at war with the media, even before
the war. There's no shame, there's no respect, there's no boundaries.
It was state-controlled in Yugoslavia, but there were some great
independent papers, and actually there is now, the new regime -
it's a basically all-Communist regime! Let's not kid ourselves!
That whole thing about democracy is so far away. All these people,
the Croatian president, the Serbian president, they all come from
the Communists. The Croatian president was Tito's general. He was
a general in the Yugoslav army. They're all Communists. Strange,
you know? And now they have such a grip on the media that you cannot
imagine. Nothing is free. I'm actually communicating with this one
independent newspaper, the only one, the only light in complete
darkness, in Croatia, and I don't know what didn't happen to it
- they have lawsuits against themselves every day, death threats
and so on - it's just ugly. |
| Q: |
This
is a depressing note to end a conversation! I wanted to ask you
about Delenn's sense of humor in the whole way she's evolved...
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| Mira: |
Delenn's
sense of humor? You know, that's the beauty of Joe's writing, that
he goes back and forth. So many levels, so many aspects. So that
all at once the incredibly serious Delenn, this incredibly strong
and dignified and so on, becomes this flirtatious lady!
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| Q: |
At
what point did you realize that she was falling in love with Sheridan?
Were you told early on that these two characters were going to end
up together? I know the fans were seeing it before there was anything
you could point to onscreen.
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| Mira: |
God,
I don't remember that, but I guess so. They saw, because they see
everything. I always tell them at conventions, why do you ask me
anything, you know everything much better than me!
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| Q: |
Do
you have a good time at conventions? Is it uplifting or intimidating?
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| Mira: |
It's
beautiful. It's beautiful to see so much love and respect and understanding.
The fans have been really kind, they never cross the boundary somehow
of this respectful kindness. It seems horrible to say, but I was
always paranoid about the audience, let's say fans, although we
didn't deal with that term in Yugoslavia. But in Yugoslavia, nothing
protected you from the audience, somehow - you were among them,
but they always thought that they had more right to approach you
than they had. The familiarity always scared me. And somehow here,
they are much more cautious, and I like it. Because it can get out
of control and so completely overtake your life - I actually had
a fan in Yugoslavia who wrote me on a regular basis for nine years,
and he began coming to my apartment, and I would call the police.
The last time he wrote to me he sent me his dismissal papers from
his job on the grounds of psychiatric problems, and said, 'This
is all because of you,' that kind of thing.
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| Q: |
That's
another thing that I always thought of as an American phenomenon
- star stalking. I guess it's not.
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| Mira: |
It's
really scary. Here, I didn't have those problems so far, it's been
all nice and good and I enjoy it. That is an uplifting note. I'm
completely aware, especially for Babylon - it's probably true for
other shows as well, but I know that in the case of Babylon, we
can thank the fans for our existence, and for a fifth season, and
so on. The fans have really been so supportive, even though Warner
Brothers couldn't really care! We're not sure if they even know
what's going on. That was what I meant when I said we had freedom
in Yugoslavia - that nobody cared. I think fans have really been
a force that is responsible for the unexpectedly long life of Babylon
Five.
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| Q: |
Well,
good luck with the rest of the season and everything else...
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| Mira: |
The
rest of my life! Thank you!
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